Author | Topic | | AXEMAN2415 Guitar Weenie
   
USA 740 Posts | Posted - 21 Jul 2006 : 23:04:01 
| In light of the subject matter brought to our attention by our esteemed Anon Jr., regarding the current conflict in the Middle East,I would like to comment a little further. I have noticed a particularly annoying trait that people seem to have acquired as of late. It is called disengagement, or, as I like to say, a "Burying your head in the sand" mentality. I do not wish to go into detail on this now, but rather, I would like to state right out front, that I do not believe that compromise with any enemy brings any kind of peaceful resolution to any conflict.
That said, and I know that there are, and will be, my detractors on that issue, where I have an issue with disengagement is how so many people know so little about so much (like the Middle East conflict),but they are willing to tell others how to handle their affairs of state (of which war is one),by telling them to give in to the demands of their enemies. Or the Disengaged simply refuse to listen at all on the subject, preferring instead the pleasures of escaping reality, by willingly ingoring any important issues.
I would like to post an interesting article,written by the great Thomas Sowell, to dovetail and set the tone for any further comment on my part, and responses on yours:
quote: July 21, 2006 Pacifists versus Peace By Thomas Sowell
One of the many failings of our educational system is that it sends out into the
world people who cannot tell rhetoric from reality. They have learned no
systematic way to analyze ideas, derive their implications and test those
implications against hard facts.
"Peace" movements are among those who take advantage of this widespread inability
to see beyond rhetoric to realities. Few people even seem interested in the
actual track record of so-called "peace" movements -- that is, whether such
movements actually produce peace or war.
Take the Middle East. People are calling for a cease-fire in the interests of
peace. But there have been more cease-fires in the Middle East than anywhere
else. If cease-fires actually promoted peace, the Middle East would be the most
peaceful region on the face of the earth instead of the most violent.
Was World War II ended by cease-fires or by annihilating much of Germany and
Japan? Make no mistake about it, innocent civilians died in the process. Indeed,
American prisoners of war died when we bombed Germany.
There is a reason why General Sherman said "war is hell" more than a century ago.
But he helped end the Civil War with his devastating march through Georgia -- not
by cease fires or bowing to "world opinion" and there were no corrupt busybodies
like the United Nations to demand replacing military force with diplomacy.
There was a time when it would have been suicidal to threaten, much less attack,
a nation with much stronger military power because one of the dangers to the
attacker would be the prospect of being annihilated.
"World opinion," the U.N. and "peace movements" have eliminated that deterrent.
An aggressor today knows that if his aggression fails, he will still be protected
from the full retaliatory power and fury of those he attacked because there will
be hand-wringers demanding a cease fire, negotiations and concessions.
That has been a formula for never-ending attacks on Israel in the Middle East.
The disastrous track record of that approach extends to other times and places --
but who looks at track records?
Remember the Falkland Islands war, when Argentina sent troops into the Falklands
to capture this little British colony in the South Atlantic?
Argentina had been claiming to be the rightful owner of those islands for more
than a century. Why didn't it attack these little islands before? At no time did
the British have enough troops there to defend them.
Before there were "peace" movements and the U.N., sending troops into those
islands could easily have meant finding British troops or bombs in Buenos Aires.
Now "world opinion" condemned the British just for sending armed forces into the
South Atlantic to take back their islands.
Shamefully, our own government was one of those that opposed the British use of
force. But fortunately British prime minister Margaret Thatcher ignored "world
opinion" and took back the Falklands.
The most catastrophic result of "peace" movements was World War II. While Hitler
was arming Germany to the teeth, "peace" movements in Britain were advocating
that their own country disarm "as an example to others."
British Labor Party Members of Parliament voted consistently against military
spending and British college students publicly pledged never to fight for their
country. If "peace" movements brought peace, there would never have been World
War II.
Not only did that war lead to tens of millions of deaths, it came dangerously
close to a crushing victory for the Nazis in Europe and the Japanese empire in
Asia. And we now know that the United States was on Hitler's timetable after
that.
For the first two years of that war, the Western democracies lost virtually every
battle, all over the world, because pre-war "peace" movements had left them with
inadequate military equipment and much of it obsolete. The Nazis and the Japanese
knew that. That is why they launched the war.
"Peace" movements don't bring peace but war.
Did anyone catch that last statement? Now, I am not a warmonger, and I would prefer to live in a world where we can all get along. But, with all due respect to John Lennon, and his ode to non-reality,"Imagine", we live in a world where Racists, Fascists, and other such Malcontents, own weapons and the sheer will to use them on anyone that they deem unfit for life. Their Goals? To destroy those that they hate. Their motives? Hate. Not poverty (ugh). Not economic equality. Not self-defense. Pure, unadulterated hatred. Oh, and let's not forget power and domination.
There is a quote by someone whose name escapes me, that says this: "All that it takes for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing." Perhaps we had better heed the warnings of the past, or else WE might be history.
| "C'mon Dave, Gimme a break!" |
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Australia 322 Posts | Posted - 13 Aug 2006 : 04:59:15 
| IIIII'll agree with that . I believe anytime we see the weak or innocent being mistreated,it's our Christian responsibilty to do what we can to stop it.War though, should be the last alternative.However,when reason fails,there aren't many choices left. Down here in Oz,we have a different name for disengagement,it's called tolerance,& it's dangerous.I call it 'the Beatles attitude',whatever get's you through the night,is alright.Absolutes are done away with & everything becomes relative.We must respect other religions & the peoples right to believe or practice whatever they deem fit.Fair enough,but when their freedom begins to encroach upon my freedom or worse still,starts a cultural shift,then we're duty bound to do something. One thing we can't forget,is the world has a different definition of peace,to what we as Christians do. | but some of you need to be awakened and slapped silly - William D Rauser |  |
| _Wes Starting Member
USA 9 Posts | Posted - 27 Nov 2006 : 22:19:31 
| I think this is a great place to introduce myself.
Hi! :)
Great topic. I would agree.
Did you realize of the 18 or so wards/counties in Iraq, 95% of hostilities are in 4. They don't tell you that in the mainstream media. Dead soldiers sell papers. And although we have lost far too many - in VietNam (which this isn't, btw) we lost thousands a week.
This enemy lives so we may die. The nutjob in Iran wants to bring forth the apocalypse. How? By wiping Israel and the US off the map. He has stated this - for some reason, its not being reported widely - other than by Glenn Beck and a few others.
I have a brother in law there new, and one on the way in Jan. I haven't been yet. . .
Thanks! Great post! and Great article.
| _Wes
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